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		<title>By: Kevin W. Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://www.truthandrepose.com/2010/02/02/the-tennesseans-attack-on-the-churches-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin W. Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job, Drew. I used a quote from that same article in an introduction to my sermon about apostasy this past Sunday. By the comments here, I see that some emergent/emerging adherents have found your blog. To me, the difference is very clear. Some people want today&#039;s culture and Christ, and some of us want the culture of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job, Drew. I used a quote from that same article in an introduction to my sermon about apostasy this past Sunday. By the comments here, I see that some emergent/emerging adherents have found your blog. To me, the difference is very clear. Some people want today&#8217;s culture and Christ, and some of us want the culture of Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Theophilus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theophilus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, Justin has a problem with an orderly and scientific method for Bible study.  It seems that his problem is, &quot;I don&#039;t trust in the bible&quot; (in his own words, not even capitalizing the word, &quot;Bible&quot;).  His confidence is instead in God, but he uses God&#039;s word only as &quot;a tool to immerse me in his story.&quot;  But the God of the Bible says in the Bible that His word is more than that.  By it we will be judged (John 12:48).  One cannot leave it behind in any of his purposes (cf. Gal. 1:6, 7; 1 Cor. 10:31; Col. 3:17).  We must live in it and give no encouragement to anyone who &quot;does not bring this teaching&quot; (2 John 9, 10).

Pity the fool who tampers with God&#039;s word.  In addition to Prov. 30 and Rev. 22, see the warning of Moses to Israel in Deut. 4:2, which give us the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, Justin has a problem with an orderly and scientific method for Bible study.  It seems that his problem is, &#8220;I don&#8217;t trust in the bible&#8221; (in his own words, not even capitalizing the word, &#8220;Bible&#8221;).  His confidence is instead in God, but he uses God&#8217;s word only as &#8220;a tool to immerse me in his story.&#8221;  But the God of the Bible says in the Bible that His word is more than that.  By it we will be judged (John 12:48).  One cannot leave it behind in any of his purposes (cf. Gal. 1:6, 7; 1 Cor. 10:31; Col. 3:17).  We must live in it and give no encouragement to anyone who &#8220;does not bring this teaching&#8221; (2 John 9, 10).</p>
<p>Pity the fool who tampers with God&#8217;s word.  In addition to Prov. 30 and Rev. 22, see the warning of Moses to Israel in Deut. 4:2, which give us the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: The Faughn Family of Four &#187; Friday Links Roundup: &#8220;Live from Henderson, It&#8217;s iPreach!&#8221; Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Faughn Family of Four &#187; Friday Links Roundup: &#8220;Live from Henderson, It&#8217;s iPreach!&#8221; Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. Last Sunday, The Tennessean( Nashville newspaper) ran a front-page article discussing some movements within the churches of Christ. The article has received a lot of comment on the web. My friend, Drew Kizer, wrote what I think is one of the best &#8220;response posts&#8221; to this article. In his post, he links to the original article, if you did not read it. Here is Drew&#8217;s response. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. Last Sunday, The Tennessean( Nashville newspaper) ran a front-page article discussing some movements within the churches of Christ. The article has received a lot of comment on the web. My friend, Drew Kizer, wrote what I think is one of the best &#8220;response posts&#8221; to this article. In his post, he links to the original article, if you did not read it. Here is Drew&#8217;s response. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doubting God&#8217;s Presence &#171; As I Travel Thru This Pilgrim Land&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doubting God&#8217;s Presence &#171; As I Travel Thru This Pilgrim Land&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Drew.  Excellent response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Drew.  Excellent response.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.truthandrepose.com/2010/02/02/the-tennesseans-attack-on-the-churches-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said the bible can&#039;t be understood. I said that without context, without communal discernment, without awareness of ones own implicit cultural biases, one can easily misunderstand or manipulate the bible to say anything.

The bible is narrative. It&#039;s the story of god renewing annrestoring creation through his live of man and his coming to earth in the flesh to suffer with us. We could talk about the contradictions in the two creation stories in genesis 1 and 2, we can talk about the fact that Moses didn&#039;t write the first five books of the bible, even though the bible says he did, (or really how there are multiple authors of sections of those books). We could discuss the glaring mathmatical and scientific errors in the bible (in one book in the old testament, the measurements of a circle are defined where pi equals 3... If it was &quot;inerrant&quot; why would go do poor math) or how each of te four gospels tells stories in different chronological orders.

But that&#039;s not the point. I don&#039;t trust in the bible. I trust in god and use the bible as his tool to immerse me in his story, to let te spirit guide me through my reading to shape me and my community into the image of Christ. The bible isn&#039;t a science book, it isn&#039;t a fantasy novel, it&#039;s the story of the people of god, given so that those that desire to be faithful can see what god has done and envision what he&#039;s doing.

And don&#039;t fall into the trap of reading every verse that talks about the &quot;word&quot; as meaning the bible or scripture. There&#039;s a really nice section of the gospel of John... The introduction actually, that talks about the word in a much broader sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said the bible can&#8217;t be understood. I said that without context, without communal discernment, without awareness of ones own implicit cultural biases, one can easily misunderstand or manipulate the bible to say anything.</p>
<p>The bible is narrative. It&#8217;s the story of god renewing annrestoring creation through his live of man and his coming to earth in the flesh to suffer with us. We could talk about the contradictions in the two creation stories in genesis 1 and 2, we can talk about the fact that Moses didn&#8217;t write the first five books of the bible, even though the bible says he did, (or really how there are multiple authors of sections of those books). We could discuss the glaring mathmatical and scientific errors in the bible (in one book in the old testament, the measurements of a circle are defined where pi equals 3&#8230; If it was &#8220;inerrant&#8221; why would go do poor math) or how each of te four gospels tells stories in different chronological orders.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not the point. I don&#8217;t trust in the bible. I trust in god and use the bible as his tool to immerse me in his story, to let te spirit guide me through my reading to shape me and my community into the image of Christ. The bible isn&#8217;t a science book, it isn&#8217;t a fantasy novel, it&#8217;s the story of the people of god, given so that those that desire to be faithful can see what god has done and envision what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t fall into the trap of reading every verse that talks about the &#8220;word&#8221; as meaning the bible or scripture. There&#8217;s a really nice section of the gospel of John&#8230; The introduction actually, that talks about the word in a much broader sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.truthandrepose.com/2010/02/02/the-tennesseans-attack-on-the-churches-of-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, your understanding of the NT canon needs some historical perspective.  

Paul&#039;s epistles were already being circulated as inspired guidelines by the time 2 Timothy, his last work, was written (Col. 4:16; 1 Thes. 5:27).  Peter even went so far as to call his writing &quot;Scripture&quot; (2 Pet. 3:15-16).  If Peter regarded Paul&#039;s work as inspired, I think we should too.

Regarding your quibble over Revelation 22, see Proverbs 30:5-6.

Your position that the Bible cannot be understood basically shakes the entire principle of biblical authority.  Many people--not just those in the Restoration Movement--would take issue with what you are implying.

Paul expected believers to follow his &quot;ways&quot; the same way in &quot;every church&quot; (1 Cor. 4:16-17).

Also, why would Paul call curses down upon those who would bring &quot;another gospel&quot; if his gospel was impossible to understand? (Gal. 1:8-10).

But I&#039;m repeating myself.  If you had taken the time to study the references I listed before with an open heart, you would not be making these points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, your understanding of the NT canon needs some historical perspective.  </p>
<p>Paul&#8217;s epistles were already being circulated as inspired guidelines by the time 2 Timothy, his last work, was written (Col. 4:16; 1 Thes. 5:27).  Peter even went so far as to call his writing &#8220;Scripture&#8221; (2 Pet. 3:15-16).  If Peter regarded Paul&#8217;s work as inspired, I think we should too.</p>
<p>Regarding your quibble over Revelation 22, see Proverbs 30:5-6.</p>
<p>Your position that the Bible cannot be understood basically shakes the entire principle of biblical authority.  Many people&#8211;not just those in the Restoration Movement&#8211;would take issue with what you are implying.</p>
<p>Paul expected believers to follow his &#8220;ways&#8221; the same way in &#8220;every church&#8221; (1 Cor. 4:16-17).</p>
<p>Also, why would Paul call curses down upon those who would bring &#8220;another gospel&#8221; if his gospel was impossible to understand? (Gal. 1:8-10).</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m repeating myself.  If you had taken the time to study the references I listed before with an open heart, you would not be making these points.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely you&#039;re aware that the 2 Timothy passage was written well before the new testament was canonized, right? So are you of the position that Paul knew that what he was writing would one day beconsidered as inspired as Torah?

And the revelation passage that you cited (WhiCh I can only assume is the &quot;not adding or taking away anything from this book&quot; passage) is not referring to the entire bible. It&#039;s referring to the individual book of revelation, not the entire cannonized bible (which, again didn&#039;t exist wen revelation was written).

That&#039;s part of the problem with many churches of Christ, and the reason this article was written. ANYONE can pull a scripture to prooftext their worldview. In fact, many dis it to justify slavery, segregation, and many other forms of oppression. The command, example, necessary inference hermenuetic as well as the &quot;speak where the bible speaks&quot; hermenuetic are faulty. They lead to division rather than unity, and the underlying premise behind them, that any one can read the bible without bias and come to the same exact conclusions is ridiculous. Scripture, since the beginning of Jewish faith, is intended to be read and discerned in community. And it must be interpreted, because it&#039;s been translated multiple times and was written 2000+ years ago. Humanity has changed and has a completely different understandig of words and concepts, and when we try to read an ancient document with modem eyes, without any concept as to the worldview and cultural context of those in the first century, were bound to get some stuff really badly wrong.

That being said, the restoration movement wasn&#039;t always fundamentalist in the sense that thy are unwilling to conceed they could e wrong about their (nonbiblical) understanding of inerrancy. And putting all their emphasis on scriptural knowledge about corporate worship than being shaped into disciples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely you&#8217;re aware that the 2 Timothy passage was written well before the new testament was canonized, right? So are you of the position that Paul knew that what he was writing would one day beconsidered as inspired as Torah?</p>
<p>And the revelation passage that you cited (WhiCh I can only assume is the &#8220;not adding or taking away anything from this book&#8221; passage) is not referring to the entire bible. It&#8217;s referring to the individual book of revelation, not the entire cannonized bible (which, again didn&#8217;t exist wen revelation was written).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the problem with many churches of Christ, and the reason this article was written. ANYONE can pull a scripture to prooftext their worldview. In fact, many dis it to justify slavery, segregation, and many other forms of oppression. The command, example, necessary inference hermenuetic as well as the &#8220;speak where the bible speaks&#8221; hermenuetic are faulty. They lead to division rather than unity, and the underlying premise behind them, that any one can read the bible without bias and come to the same exact conclusions is ridiculous. Scripture, since the beginning of Jewish faith, is intended to be read and discerned in community. And it must be interpreted, because it&#8217;s been translated multiple times and was written 2000+ years ago. Humanity has changed and has a completely different understandig of words and concepts, and when we try to read an ancient document with modem eyes, without any concept as to the worldview and cultural context of those in the first century, were bound to get some stuff really badly wrong.</p>
<p>That being said, the restoration movement wasn&#8217;t always fundamentalist in the sense that thy are unwilling to conceed they could e wrong about their (nonbiblical) understanding of inerrancy. And putting all their emphasis on scriptural knowledge about corporate worship than being shaped into disciples.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well stated. I agree with your interpretation of the article. 

When I first read the headline, I thought it was going to be a story of the Church working with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or Jews because I foolishly thought that &quot;Christians&quot; basically were of the same faith. Don&#039;t we all believe that salvation is through Jesus, hence the term Christian? So really we aren&#039;t working with other faiths just other believers. 

Kind od silly I know, but nobody said anything about that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well stated. I agree with your interpretation of the article. </p>
<p>When I first read the headline, I thought it was going to be a story of the Church working with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or Jews because I foolishly thought that &#8220;Christians&#8221; basically were of the same faith. Don&#8217;t we all believe that salvation is through Jesus, hence the term Christian? So really we aren&#8217;t working with other faiths just other believers. </p>
<p>Kind od silly I know, but nobody said anything about that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, the saying &quot;speak where the Bible speaks, remain silent where the Bible is silent&quot; represents a principle that permeates the Old and New Testaments.  Its truthfulness should be obvious.  See Galatians 1:8-10; 1 Cor. 4:6; 1 Pet. 4:11; Rev. 22:18-19; Prov. 30:5-6; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, the saying &#8220;speak where the Bible speaks, remain silent where the Bible is silent&#8221; represents a principle that permeates the Old and New Testaments.  Its truthfulness should be obvious.  See Galatians 1:8-10; 1 Cor. 4:6; 1 Pet. 4:11; Rev. 22:18-19; Prov. 30:5-6; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; et al.</p>
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